Monday, 12 November 2007

No autism in heaven?

Samantha asked the question; 'Scientology says that people with disabilities are non/un human. How do comments like that make you feel, knowing that people like that won't accept that your son is a person?'
Knowing nothing about Scientology, if that is what they think then I don’t want to know!!
To the rest of your question, Ive had 19 years of people not thinking C is human, and it makes me angry, upset and very sad.
This question reminded me of a couple of things that happened.

A few years ago a religious young couple came to my door and asked why I had a disabled bay outside my house. I explained about C and they smiled and said that’s ok as there are no disabilities in heaven. It doesn’t matter what your religious persuasion is, I didn’t like the thought that C would not even be accepted as he is in heaven. I shut the door!
When C was about 7, I was pushing him in his major buggy down a street, when a man knelt in front of us. He asked me Cs name and when I told him, he bowed his head and said, ‘Your son my not speak but one day he will preach to the world.’
And maybe C is through this blog!

The cosmos works in mysterious ways!


Chris H said...

Is that true? Scientology does not recognise people with disabilities as 'human' ? That is totally shocking! I have always thought that Scientology was 'wacky' but that takes the cake! Where do they get off saying such a damn hurtful, ignorant thing? I'm speechless.

Cowgirl said...

That sounds a bit like Hitler's idea of how the world should be, scary. Being a bit busy with my cows, I don't have much time for research, but if that is Scientology maybe I will leave it to Tom & co. I would imagine comments like that would make you want to swing for someone, personally.

Anonymous said...

When spirits present, they are without pain. Yet the gates of heaven are open to all. Including our disabled offspring.

Crystal xx

Mat said...

I have a vague memory going into my head right now of a story about a deaf kid being talked to about heaven. A priest told the child that, if he was good, when he died he would go to heaven and he'd be able to hear again. The child's response was that, if it was really heaven, then God would be able to sign.

david mcmahon said...

Hi Casdok,

This post is so powerful in its message.

Let me assure you that Heaven is open to us all, whether he speak or not. That is God's truth.

The man who knelt may have known something we do not. And your translation of his message is so accurate.

Bless you for the power of your blog - and more than anything else, bless C as well.

I am a parent too.

Keep smiling


Amanda said...

I think (guess) that the confusion (problem of the people at your door) is in how they view disabled persons. Indeed there is no suffering in heaven. Unfortunately, if they see C.'s life as nothing BUT suffering, then they cant imagine God permitting him to be the same in heaven.
The man that knelt- whether it was inspired or not, it is coming true. :-)
once had a man (he was very old) at the grocery walk up and tell me that A. was very very special, and would grow up to be very important...
side note: not upset,but, it isnt fair to say something about a religion (no matter how wacky) without finding out for sure-
where did you hear that?

Casdok said...

And A is very special!
I was just responding to Samanthas question, i did try and google Scientology to find out more, but didnt get very far.

Elissa said...

I once had a conversation with a lady about the fact that I wanted my son to be accepted for who he is. She then told me that she would pray for him until he was healed.
Pray for him - yes, but until he is healed...? No thank you. He doesn't need healing. I love him just the way he is.
From my own level of spirituality, I would like to think that accepting each and every person for who they are reigns supreme. Forget this good/bad stuff - we were made as we are for a reason, and we all have a purpose in life... just as we are.
And C's purpose is just as important as anyone else's - bless him!!!

Simple Mindz said...

Wow. I never knew that. Amazing.

BBC said...

Yes, the cosmos works in mysterious ways. And on this planet of chaos it doesn't always get its way, or this would be a much more peaceful and loving planet.

What ever C's thoughts on heaven are, only he knows what they are, and it will be as he wants it. No one can tell another what their heaven will be like.

As for Scientology, I know a couple that was in it for years before they broke free of it, and we discussed it a lot. Don't even bother with trying to understand it. Hugs.

Patti said...

Cowgirl has a does sound a lot like what Hitler wanted for the world.
And if that's indeed true about Scientology it is a scary religion for sure. If that's what its followers believe I don't want to know either.

Elissa makes a wonderful point: we all have a purpose in life just as we are..

thanks for a thought-provoking post

Samantha said...

Here is the scientology quote. It was found linked to a news story where a diasabled woman was found in the care of a scientologist, who then starved her to death:

L. Ron Hubbard had a low regard for the disabled, which he called downstats:

Hubbard considered handicapped people, and especially mentally handicapped people to be degraded beings, suffering from their transgressions in earlier lifetimes. His attitude about blacks is well known.

Phil Plasma said... day he will preach to the world - through this blog. I'd say that is exactly what is happening. I don't doubt that all of your readership is becoming ever more accepting of autism specifically and any disability generally because of what you are writing.

Keep up the good work!

Suzy said...

C speaks through you....and his voice is loud an clear.

Love to you both.

PI said...

I think what Amanda says about the people at the door is very true. Their imagination just can't make that leap.

BenefitScroungingScum said...

I think C's voice to the world is incredibly clear through you and this blog Casdok, I'm sure if he could he'd be shouting for you to keep it up x

Vi vi vi vooom!!!!!!!! said...

And you keep talking for him through this blog!

Susan Kelly Skitt said...

Dear Casdok,

You are a beautiful mother who loves her son very much.

I don't know what the couple meant when they came to your door, but I do know this:

When we come to Jesus, just as we are and trust Him, He accepts us because He loves us.

The Bible says that one day God will heal all infirmities. When Jesus was here on earth, He healed the sick, made the lame walk, the blind see, the deaf hear.

God loves each and every person. He tells us so in His Word, the Bible, especially in the book of John, chapter three, verse sixteen. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son (Jesus), that whosover believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life."

In Heaven, Jesus will make all things right. He will heal us and wipe away every tear. My friend's son who is in a wheelchair will one day walk.

God loves you Casdok. God loves your dear son and I love you too.

Your blogging friend,
Susan Kelly Skitt

Nancy said...

People can be so ignorant, I can't even comment on that way of thinking.

But ...

‘Your son my not speak but one day he will preach to the world.’

... and that man spoke the truth.

Suffolkmum said...

Hmmm. Another winning comment from Scientology. I would have wanted to swing for someone reading that too. What an amazing - and prescient! - comment that stranger made.

Faith said...

Ah that's all amazing. Blessings to C x

Club 166 said...

Here is a quote from L. Ron Hubbard that I found at another website, which deals with Scientology and its view of the disabled (the "emotional tone scale" is one test that is administered to Scientology followers):

"The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered. It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing them enough ... or simply quarantining them from the society."

(Science of Survival, by L. Ron Hubbard pg 173)

I think the quote speaks for itself.


Casdok said...

Certainly does!
Thank you for that.

Marla Fauchier Baltes said...

Scientology does a lot to slow down the progess of people with autism and especially children with psychiatric disorders. If anything gets me fired up it is the subject of scientology. That is why I tend to avoid it.

I have had extended family tell me that our daughter and my sister were being punished for something bad done in a past life or something bad we have done. Terrible. How people can say things like that to me and think I will want to ever be around them again is beyond me.

I had never thought about my daughter being any different in heaven than she is now. It is a very interesting thought. Makes for a very deep post that will keep me thinking the rest of the day. Thanks!

Chaoticidealism said...

I've thought a lot about that. Will I have to be "normal" in heaven?

The way I think about it, though, was that if you read the Bible, you'll see in all the stories where Jesus heals somebody and the guy hasn't already specifically asked for it, he asks, "Do you want to be healed?"

I think that'll hold true in heaven, too. We'll be able to pick whether or not we want to be different from what we are now.

After all, God made me autistic, and he gave me both strengths and weaknesses relating to autism, as well as a unique personality. I don't see autism as something coming from the sinfulness of humanity or the generally imperfect nature of the world... I'm as I was meant to be. Disability isn't something to be ashamed of.

I don't think I'll want to be any different in heaven.

Casdok said...

Thank you for sharing that.

vivavavoom said...

scientology is such a bunch of bullshit...and to those who read this that are scientologists....I am not really sorry. there is a scientology center right by us and when my kids were in a very minor fender bender with my husband they were setting up a tent nearby and all came rushing over to see if my husband would put them in their tent so they could be reprogrammed and not have the accident effect them. 'hell no' he said. I think their urgency scared the kids more than the accident.
my son has a form of autism with the sensory integration issues, and some, what we have started calling 'cognitive dyslexia', so I can say some name when the parents don't understand what he is saying. but from outward appearances you would never know. regardless, I always get irrate no matter what the reason when religious zealots start with their jargin.....and for that matter I also get upset, or rather fed up, with all the new agey people who refer to my son as "an indigo child". he is what he is. we do not limit him, we let him make mistakes and we always encourage him to try. he may not end up at the top of the class, but as long as he feels self assured, that is all I care. you are obviously doing an amazing job balancing everything. And like you said...he does have a voice through you and this blog, and I love hearing it.

vivavavoom said...

the saddest thing I have heard is that John Travolta's child is rumored to be autistic, but yet they will not get any help because of his and his wife's deep scientology belief system. there is an aspect where they believe it can all be "cured" by diet or correcting the programming. very sad for his child, since those of us with autistic children of any degree know, the earlier you can get some help...the better.

Pixie said...

religious stuff just makes me mad.
The intolerance of so called 'good' people makes me glad I'm not into any religion.

buffalodickdy said...

We are only capable of understanding what we can comprehend. Even in this day and age, ignorance surrounds us...

Anne Brooke said...

The world certainly does work in mysterious ways - you're very right there! And the two of you are certainly communicating too, and in a more widespread way than that man could ever have thought!



Anonymous said...

I wish I knew what to say. It would be so nice for everyone to be accepted as they are and not as we'd have them. Is it possible to be who we are if we shed our disabilities? I don't know. Maybe in heaven, we are who we are because that's how we were made. Does it mean we are no longer disable? I guess I'll see when I get there. Thanks for stopping by and leaving such a lovely comment.

abstractjenn said...

Grrrrr people make me angry. Not human? It seems to me that C has much more free will then these scientologists have. I have too heard the rumors about John Travolta's son. It is so sad if it is true.
Casdok - C is lucky to have you to express for him.

Pavel said...

I'm so sorry that you had to deal with that. It pains me to think some one would think less of my boy because of his autism. The Lord is a great God and I know he doesn't love my autistic child any less than my "normal" children.

What a hurtful thing to say and to believe.

Anonymous said...

Scientologists "bible" was written by a failed science fiction writer so I wouldn't put TOO MUCH faith in what they think.

QUASAR9 said...

Hi Casdok, physical disabilities are related to the body.

If someone bites of your tongue or vocal chords, it does not mean you can't 'talk' it means you can't verbalize or voice your 'thoughts'

PS - I've always wondered what dogs and horses would have to say if they could 'utter' words, you know like in cartoons.
Top cat, bring it on
Yoggi Bear, have a nice day
Even Flipper, would hasve lots to say

DJ Kirkby said...

Swweetie, do you think that maybe the religious couple emant that when C goes to heavan he will be freed from his diability? That he will be able to communicate in a different way so that others may understand him with ease? He speaks through you here but perhaps when his time comes he will be able to speak for himself?

Odat said... day he will preach to the world." Wow!!!! I bet he will too!

Sara said... disabilities in heaven... I can accept that mabye all pains are healed, so mabye he won't head bang in heaven...but he is as he was made. As we all are.

kristina said...

Those comments make me think of something that Kassiane Sibley has said, about herself not being broken and not needing fixen----noted most memorably on video here. We'll a be disabled some day......

misha_k said...

I've heard that Scientology thinks that way about anybody who's disabled. It's a sad, sad thing if it's true.

I'd like to believe we'd be accepted as we are when we go to Heaven, or wherever we believe we go. After all, God, or whatever deity we believe in, created all of us as we are. Why would he change that when we get to heaven?

CanvasGrey said...

Hi Casdok!

As one mom to another, trying to understand our sons just as they are, I found this morning and wanted to share with you. You may be aware of this writer but I was not. Best wishes to you always! Deb

akakarma said...

I'm speechless, I mean if I didn't have to write something! Shocked, frightened, horrified....